Newbie needs help!

DELFTship forum General Questions Newbie needs help!

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    • #38770
      Rick Hendon
      Participant

      Have just dowloaded DelftShip free and am in need of tutalage…anyone have time to help a complete neophyte?
      Thanks tons!
      Hendon

    • #38771
      Icare
      Participant

      Welcome Hendon!

      You can download the manual from the download page (the very same page you found the software on) . It’s pretty well made.

      My suggestion to a newbie: Do not try do design immediately your model, but read the manual, download models from the database, play modifying them. And once you’ll master the tool you’ll be ready to draw your own ship.

      Anyway, you’ll find help here on the forum.

      Good luck! 😉
      ____________
      Note: I ain’t the webmaster, but just a user such as you. :blush:
      Our only master here (after God) is the Admin: Maarten.

    • #38772
      Rick Hendon
      Participant

      Thanks so much, Icare! Will certainly download the manual if I can find it…I know, however, that I am going to learn best if I can sit down beside someone and get some one-on-one instruction. I am in Portland, Oregon…are you by any chance nearby?
      Cheers,
      Hendon

    • #38773
      Rick Hendon
      Participant

      Icare, I got it…it’s in the bag. For some reason, this window did not open on my new PC were the DelftShip is downloaded, but no problems on my Mac. WOOHOOHOO!
      Hendon

    • #38774
      Icare
      Participant

      … I am going to learn best if I can sit down beside someone and get some one-on-one instruction. I am in Portland, Oregon…are you by any chance nearby?…

      I’d be glad to come and show you how I use the software… provided you pay me the travel… I’m in France :whistle:

      I really do think the best way to learn is to discover each command in the manual and immediately try it and play with it using an already made model.

      The main points are to understand that:
      -You’ll work a surface by modifying it.
      – This surface can be divided on different layers (tracing papers, not layers of material!).
      – Once your surface is splited (by removing junctioning panes) it will be impossible to reconnect the separated parts.

      If you can understand these three points, you’ll be spared half of the potential problems. B)

    • #38775
      Fernando Cruz
      Participant

      Hi I am new myself. I tried using some existing models but they are too developed… too many features… and I got confused.
      I then created a very simple hull, like an Optimist hull but with a bow, a transom (obviously) and two stations. Just two stations and three points per station… a half model only, of course.
      I entered the coordinates and there was some learning with the Add point feature.
      Then I added surfaces. Edges do not form without surfaces. And learned about corner points. Then I saved it. This came in handy when I made some serious mistakes and decided to go back to the original shape just to restart.
      Then I decided to split some edges to enhance the curvatures. Then split the grid… then remove the chine lines and round off the hull… gradually it all started to make sense.
      And on and on until I felt I could “risk” a more complex hull. At which point I developed the hull that is now my avatar.
      All along I used the manual AND the tutorial to get unstuck.
      I still do not know it all but I feel I can do a pretty good sleek hull out of points.
      I want now to try using lines drawings imported into DELFTship… that will be next.
      I hope this helps. It is a pretty nifty tool, but remember, it does not correct all your design flaws by itself. Use Gauss and the zebra tool to clean up the fairing. Turn the model around a lot and play with changes to the different points coordinates. Go back to wireframe and turn the model around and move some points and go back to Gauss… see what happened. Often it is a neighboring point that is causing the shading (curvature) you do not want to see.
      And you will get the hang of if. This tool looks more daunting than it really is.

    • #38776
      Rick Hendon
      Participant

      Nando_Adios, everyone is being so gracious to me…thank you so much for your thoughtful reply. I think I may be at the point you mentioned…the available model is too developed; will try starting from scratch. Haven’t had a chance to sit down with it in two days, but I believe this software is going to make sense to me sooner rather than later. I so wish I could open DelftShip and talk to a knowledgeable user on the phone while I try to make my chicken scratches.

      Thanks again!
      Cheers,
      Hendon

    • #38777
      Maarten
      Keymaster

      Hi Icare, Thank you for helping new members- your input is always appreciated!
      Just one observation on the side: You -can- reconnect separate parts, and we do it all the time. Simply select 4 (or 3, or 5) points (2 on each surface edge) and Add a surface. Do make sure the points can naturally hold a surface… The order in which the points are selected is important. It determines the normal direction, and if the points were not selected in a continuous (counter)clockwise direction, strange ‘hour glass’ shaped surfaces may be created…

    • #38778
      Fernando Cruz
      Participant

      Hendon,
      you are welcome. Regarding your idea of a phone call, where are you? I am in Lisbon, Portugal.
      In the meantime I had another thought.
      When you start entering points it is easy to lose them as they may go out of sight. If the keel of your “test model” is on the X axis, then use the front, back, side views, together with the zoom button that fits everything on the screen to keep track of your points. It is tempting to use the “perspective view” but it can create a confusing view of apparently randomly located points. Once you have all your points, rotate the image in perspective view and then start connecting faces. The comment about the clock/counterclockwise selection of points is important.
      If you think a basic model can help, I will be glad to send you my “test dinghy” model that you can start with.
      I was also rather frustrated when I started. I use Sketchup extensively and I had to do a mental shift to get the hang of DELFTship.

    • #38781
      Fernando Cruz
      Participant

      Hi Hendon,

      here is a small rowing boat I mentioned with plenty of opportunity for corrections and experimentation.
      The original drawing is a flat bottom boat but I modified it a bit.
      I hope this will get you venturing into DELFTship.
      Have a great weekend.

    • #38782
      Rick Hendon
      Participant

      Nando, thanks again…I’m venturing, but not making much progress. Frustrating. Do you use SKYPE? I’m in Oregon/USA.

      ARRRGGH!
      Hendon

    • #38783
      Rick Hendon
      Participant

      Forgot to say…nice little rowboat!
      Cheers
      Hendon

    • #38788
      Fernando Cruz
      Participant

      Yep, I have Skype – nando.aidos
      Let us set up a time to talk then.

    • #38789
      Rick Hendon
      Participant

      Nando, how gracious of you! I could make just about any time tomorrow (and most weekends) available. Early or late, my local time…it doesn’t matter. Look forward to hearing from you.
      Best regards,
      Hendon

    • #38791
      Fernando Cruz
      Participant

      OK, you are in Oregon, 8 hours diff.
      How about 10:00AM your time. That will make it 18:00 for me 06:00PM.
      It should work. You msg me on Skype then and either we will connect voice or video.
      Will that work for you?
      Let me know.
      Take care.

    • #38792
      Rick Hendon
      Participant

      Perfect! If you haven’t heard from me by 1810 it means I’m having trouble. My phone number is (503) 887-4305. Email is gonetothedogsinc@msn.com

      Thanks tons, Nando!
      Hendon

    • #38793
      Rick Hendon
      Participant

      Nando, I’m sorry to be such a bother, but I’ve had no experience with SKYPE and don’t understand it any better than I understand DelftShip. Would you be so kind as to contact me?

      Thank you very much!
      Hendon

    • #38797
      Fernando Cruz
      Participant

      I see. Skype is easy. I suggest when you have figured out Skype, send em a Skype message and we will connect.
      Take care.

    • #38800
      Rick Hendon
      Participant

      Nando, this is maddening! Having never used SKYPE before, I’m not certain how to try and contact you. Have entered nando_aidos as your SKYPE address and have tried repeatedly to make contact without success. I’m sorry to have taken up your time.
      Hendon

    • #38801
      Rick Hendon
      Participant

      Icare, got some advice re downloading and installing the offsets, drawing and developable image you sent me; thanks so much. I am still stuck at the very beginning of DelftShip commands and can’t yet seem to make sense of it sufficiently to make even the simplest hull, or to successfully manipulate one of the existing ones. But I AM DETERMINED to master this software! Would you be willing to talk to me on SKYPE? I’m in Portland Oregon USA. If so, please let me know when you’d like to try and connect…and at what number or email. Thank you so much!
      Hendon

    • #38804
      Fernando Cruz
      Participant

      Well, it does look like you are getting the right help from a pro. Keep the faith.

    • #38805
      Rick Hendon
      Participant

      Nando, got the kinks worked out of my SKYPE system and so wanted to make contact with you on Sunday, but couldn’t make it happen . Do I need any contact info of y0urs other than nando_aidos to make SKYPE work.

      Off to the mutts presently (I’m a dog trainer).. Website is gonetothedogsinc.com There’s a funny little video on the main page.
      Cheers,
      Hendon

    • #38806
      Fernando Cruz
      Participant

      Ah, it is nando.aidos (with a dot, not an underscore) as I mentioned in my previous message.
      The underscore is for the DELFTship account.

    • #38807
      Rick Hendon
      Participant

      Ahhh; that will make a difference, I’ll bet! So, just nando.aidos with nothing after it? No NET or COM or ORG or whatever? You are a patient fellow to put up with my lack of acumen. I really appreciate you. Talk soon. When would you like me to try? (Local time your time)
      Hendon

    • #38811
      Fernando Cruz
      Participant

      That is it. Once in skype you start a conversation with nando.aidos
      That is it. You can leave a message if I am not online.
      My calendar is rather erratic and so I suggest you peek and we will eventually connect.
      Just keep in mind I am 8 hours ahead of you.
      Take care (of the mutts too)

    • #38812
      Rick Hendon
      Participant

      Nando, I’ll try you tomorrow about 1600 your time.
      Cheers,
      Hendon

    • #38813
      Icare
      Participant

      Icare, got some advice re downloading and installing the offsets, drawing and developable image you sent me; thanks so much. I am still stuck at the very beginning of DelftShip commands and can’t yet seem to make sense of it sufficiently to make even the simplest hull, or to successfully manipulate one of the existing ones. But I AM DETERMINED to master this software! Would you be willing to talk to me on SKYPE? I’m in Portland Oregon USA. If so, please let me know when you’d like to try and connect…and at what number or email. Thank you so much!
      Hendon

      Sorry, man! I can’t use Skype (I surf on the Web from a library, not from home). Furthermore my spoken english is much too broken and I assume you woulnd’t understand me.
      I’m used to say I can speak english but… the English (or Americain) can’t understand… :whistle:

      Hold on, FS is not so hard to use. Could you at least generat a new hull (FS does it automaticaly when pressing the “NEW” button)? Then you can click and drag on the points or click on the points and type their new coordinates. This step is a child’s play, so if you’re already stuck… :pinch:

    • #38814
      Fernando Cruz
      Participant

      OK.

    • #38815
      Rick Hendon
      Participant

      Well, Icare, your written English is superb! Thanks very much for the jumpstart. I’ll report back to you if I ever get to the point of being proud of a design.

      Very best to you!
      Hendon

    • #38816
      Maarten
      Keymaster

      Hi All,
      I am happy that you found your help, an I am proud to have such an open community I am going to ask you to keep the person-to-person messages on a private channel. Thanks!

    • #38817
      Rick Hendon
      Participant

      Sorry!

    • #38818
      Rick Hendon
      Participant

      Nando, too frustrating..can’t make contact. Giving up.

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